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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 1, 2010 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

Oh boy . I have been thinking for a few days ( since seeing Furthur in Brooklyn ) about how to carefully word this post . I have been thinking about this subject in general for over 20 years , since it first began to give me a sinking feeling in my stomach .

Cards on the table . I do not like having small children inside of shows . It made me queasy before I had kids , makes me uncomfortable and worried since . If we could remove some elements of what is involved in a 'show ' I would not feel so strongly , but by removing those elements you either add many hassles or drain away some of what makes a ' show '.
The aggravating factors are ,
open drug use and the public responses to such use ( the most by far being alcohol ) Also , lots of smoke is not good for little lungs .
lots of Big Noise ( Hey Noise Collector ) for little ears is not healthy , esp. for infants. Some parents bring the N.R. headphones , but little kids being little kids , take them off
Since I am at the back or off to the sides for room I am often around families . Sometimes the Spinning Brigade gets the mojo going , and I've seen a few bumper car situations not end well. Or more clearly - adult , eyes closed freaking freely in the middle of , Slipknot lets say , and little johnny likes that balloon he sees near said adult , and goes for it . Not a happy ending .
Most kids do not look like they want to be there . They play w/ their the thumb masher electronia , and fall asleep usually in set 2 . ( Maybe that ' fog ' has something to do w/ their sleepiness , and the late hour . )
Mom & Dad usually don't look so happy as well . The fun factor seems to decline as the show goes on and the initial rush of ' yes , my kids are going to have a part of this experience ' fades into parenting . And parenting small children involves lots of physical work ( among other things ) .
I am hoping my post has light and no heat . This involves two big ones , for most people here ; their kids , and music that is far more then music to them . I am interested in what you have to say . Thanks

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

Back in the early 90's when I was living in Hawaii, I was in the concert promotion business, bringing Jamaican bands to Kona. We would hook up with mainland promoters and add Hawaiian shows to the (mostly) California and West Coast tours. I was never comfortable with all the folks who would bring their babies and toddlers to shows, especially since the shows were mostly indoors and at smaller (1-2K people) venues, the noise was too loud, there was always second hand tobbacco and pot smoke and often alcohol was served.

Most of the parents would stay in the back with their kids and we would tolerate that. One time I actually threw some parents out of a show. I was backstage and looking out at the crowd when I noticed that they had their toddler with them, maybe 2 or 3 yrs old. He had fallen asleep and they were in the front of the crowd, right in front of a sub-woofer that was positioned on the floor. Their child was asleep and they had placed him on top of the sub, on his side, so one ear was against the top of the unit.

In those days we hired our own security, because the venue's security was always rough with customers for engaging in relatively harmless activities. Our view was that security was there for the security of the artists and the patrons, and our goal was to try to get through shows without any violence and without throwing any paying customer out of the show.

I was so incensed with this couple and the stupidity of placing their child in a crowded, loud and dangerous position, that I immediately had security escort them out of the show.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-01 19:59:43

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 1, 2010 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

"No Babes in Arms." Was often included on playbills and tickets.

Keep your f*cking mutt home too. Dogs have no place at shows. Sorry dog lovers.

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jul 2, 2010 12:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

Before I read this far I was thinking about how this is somewhat similar to the dog issue at festivals. I remember going to local festivals before dogs pretty much got banned at all of them and there would always be the scary moments when Tommy Tough Guy would be strollin thru with his big mean Pit Bull and two dogs would get into it (I love Pits, btw, I've met some who are the nicest, wussiest dogs you'd ever meet, but there are a large majority of people who get them because they think they're tough and they teach them to be mean. plus dogs just fight, it happens). And you'd see some of these poor creatures tied to trees with no water, panting and panting and overstimulated by all of the people, other dogs, loud sounds/music, etc. I think the same type of thing happens with children at festivals all too often.

One time a friend I was camping with brought her dog, she had those real codependent dogs that wouldn't eat or sleep for days if she left them with someone else, so she "had" to bring them. She wandered off to go party and had her dog tied to a tree and the thing barked for HOURS and HOURS one night. We were all starting to get just a little pissed...I mean I love the gal but that night I was about ready to strangle her AND the dog lol. And I'm the most animal loving, vegetarian, animal rights type guy you'd ever meet.

Ha anyway, as for kids, I don't have any, so all I can comment on is how I feel about other people bringing theirs...I dunno, I've seen responsible people who are attentive bring their children to festivals, and most of the kids really seemed to enjoy it.

One friend in particular almost always brings her 2 young boys (they were around 5 and 10 when they first started going, something like that, now they're like 8 and 14 or something) with her to the local "Schwagstock" festivals that I've mentioned a few times on here lately, and they always looked forward to it and had a blast. Sometimes you could tell that having to be mommy was getting tiresome for her, when the event was supposed to be her "vacation" and a place to have fun. Fortunately she was a responsible mother, she never drank or anything like that and kept a good eye on her kids. We also had a fairly large group of people at our campsite, many of them older and parents themselves, so the kids were always supervised and had plenty of entertainment. Occasionally though it was an inconvenience for the rest of us...I'm a night person by nature and always go to bed around 6 am, so occasionally I would be getting ready to go to bed around 7 or so and the kids would be getting up for the day and she wasn't quite ready to be mommy yet so I'd have to keep one of em entertained for a while till she could get up and going. I generally don't care too much for children when it's 7 am and I'm tired and wanting to go to bed, but I'm not going to just leave them.

Funny story-I rode down to an event with her and her two boys one time (3 hours of "hey Jim, guess what? me: what? "POOPIE PANTS!!!" got a little old after a while...). The older one was asking us a LOT of questions on the way down, little things about why do people dress like this or that, why do they have dreadlocks, etc. One of his questions was "hey mom, what's a bong?" Mom then proceeded to explain very casually about how one works. I think her son was far more fascinated by the science of it and how the water works and all that than he was about actual pot smoking.

That is one thing for me about bringing kids to festivals, I think their age and supervision are the most important concerns. I would feel more comfortable having an 8 year old with me who was with me all the time, as opposed to a tween who wants to run off by themselves. At that age, these kids are REALLY curious about all the things they are seeing, and I know there are dealers out there who wouldn't think twice about selling drugs to an 11, 12, 13 year old. Some twisted freak might do it just for fun...I remember an occasion or two where people dosed these cats that lived on the property where they hold the Schwagstocks. One of them was the pet of a friend of mine who was an employee down there at the time, the poor cat died and he was really broken up by it, understandably.

My ex-girlfriend and some of our friends pushed for a kids activity area at the festivals, little art projects like "make your own hula hoops" and stuff like that. Unfortunately funding was very low and volunteers hard to find. People tend to take advantage of something like that and think it's a babysitting service they can just drop their little ones off at while they go play themselves. That wasn't the case...children were supposed to be supervised, it was just something fun for them to do. But in general I think parents are going to bring kids to festivals anyway, and a lot of festivals sortof invite them that way, by having "family camps" and quiet areas and billing events as "all ages," etc. So I think that they really should put some funding and manpower towards making a place to have fun activities for children. Not necessarily a daycare, but just an activity area where they require parental supervision and enforce it as best they can.

That reminds me of another issue, the medical unit. I spent a lot of time down there at the Schwagstocks and you would frequently have a missing kid spend a few hours down there until their parent/s shows up. Some of the parents didn't seem to care that they lost their kid/s for a few hours and seemed to think that the medical unit was a good daycare. I think anyone with any sense knows that a medical unit at a hippie festival is NOT a good place for children, there are a lot of scary things they might see. Plus some of the people there are flat out unpredictable and dangerous.

I'm generally pretty liberal minded about little ones being exposed to people smoking dope, that sort of thing, but having REALLY intoxicating people around them can be pretty scary. At the same time, it can be educational, like the other poster who said those kind of people make for a good "this is what happens..." warning for their children. Honestly that's probably a much more effective and realistic drug prevention program than those stupid commercials on tv...but in general, it just seems to feel like a bad idea, if anything because sometimes those kinds of people can scare or in some cases actually physically harm a kid, whether they intended to or not...plus a lot of people feel self-concious smoking around children and such...hell I don't even cuss when I'm around children (though I prolly wouldn't care if people cussed in front of mine, they'd prolly be used to me calling them little sons of bitches and whatnot. lol just kidding), I would feel 10 times as bad using illegal substances around them.

Anywho, I've really only addressed festivals, not one night concerts and such, which has similarities to a festival but also a lot of differences. Like most people said, I think a lot of it depends on venue, band, and seating location. I think most kids might have a pretty good time back on the lawn at an outdoor show. Not all, though. A lot of kids don't take as well to heat and such as adults, and they might be pretty miserable. I think it's really important to keep them hydrated and close to you at all times, no matter their age. And for godsakes don't get piss drunk and all that. I've seen these parents that will be pretty stoned, dancing around with an infant in their arms, up near the front area of the stage. I don't even care if you're sober, you might be really responsible, but at a rock concert, not everyone around you is as responsible. Accidents happen. A kid sleeping on a blanket late in the show might not be seen all that well and can get stepped on. Dancing spunions burn enough adults with lit cigarettes, and a five year old his about eye level with an adult's hand...I don't think you should completely shelter your kid and keep them on lockdown or anything, but I think that it's probably a good idea to keep the REALLY young ones at home (anywhere from birth to 8 or 9 maybe).

When I was around 8 years old, my mother took my sister and I to a Whitney Houston concert (my first ever concert). I have very little memory of it, but I do know that I actually fell asleep towards the end and missed her big finale, "I wanna dance with somebody." I'm still so pissed that I missed that... But anyway we were in a big arena, there was no smoke or excessive drunkeness, etc, and it was ok. Not long after that, my mom took me to see Uriah Heep with Grand Funk Railroad. Back in the 80's my mom worked with one of the guys in the Heep and he used to get her free tickets and backstage passes to local shows a lot (we actually have pictures of my mom and sister "partying" backstage with Christian Metal Band "Stryper..." and we actually thought that was cool in 1988...). That show was also somewhat low-key, you had to stay in your seats, no smoking, etc. I thought it was kinda cool.

Anyway my point is, shows like that I think are pretty safe environments for small children. Sure, drug use and a drunk or two is gonna happen at pretty much every rock concert, but I think certain bands/genres are going to bring more possible trouble. I mean I wouldn't take my (imaginary) 5 year old to a metal show with a mosh pit. But I'd have no problem taking him to a Hall and Oates concert. I think GD type shows are a fine line... I mean I would LOVE to expose my kid to the music, and there are a lot of really nice, down to earth, caring, kind people. But...there are also a lot of really screwed up jackasses, too. personally, I think I would leave my kids at home...they'd prolly have more fun watching Spongebob with the babysitter, and I'd probably have more fun knowing they're safe at home and that I didn't have to worry about them all night while I got my crunk on.

End rant.

This post was modified by Jim F on 2010-07-02 07:31:35

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Jul 2, 2010 5:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

I agree, leave rover at home. If he could have gotten a good dose of Donna screaming at high levels I am sure he would be in agreement.

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Poster: Skippy61 Date: Jul 1, 2010 10:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

well i will throw my 2 cents in, near where I live 3 hour near. they have a 3 day long blues festival. Certain things like herb are tightly controlled and although beer is available it is also controlled. you are drunk...you are OUT!!
there were people from a few months, away from the loud speakers, to 70years old right up front. Of course the gigs started at 12 and went until 11 and the youngters cleared out.
We had people that after a few years after the Bluesfest started, would save us a spot cause they were so happy to see us and our little one at the show. We would always sit behind the main stacks we got pretty good sound but quieter and we could still see the bands.

In short...indoor...HELL NO...outdoor festivals...HELL YES!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 2, 2010 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

What about the loudness factor? that would concern me. I think rock concerts are not as loud now as they were back in the day; I remember not being able to hear for about 24 hours after some shows (not the Dead), and that clearly can't be all right for kids.

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Poster: Hal R Date: Jul 1, 2010 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

Saw this one last year at the Doobie, ABB, Dead show at the Gorge. One parent was using the stroller with child to plow through the slow moving crowd on the sidewalk. He pushed hard against woman in front of him who had baby in her arms, she turned around with that baby in her one arm and start screaming and hiting father with stroller with her free arm. It was ugly, this is fun?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 1, 2010 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

I don't ever bring my kids to shows - well the few shows we get. For the reasons mentioned but even the shows at places like our performing arts theater just because they don't like the music i like anyway ( i know I've failed ). I used to take them to a local bluegrass fest that was family freindly but unfortunately they dont have it anymore and its just out of control partying now.

funny story the first year i moved up here at the Alaksa State Fair Jefferson Starship played - when it was Kantner, Casady and Balin. Shows were free there then and all these people with kids thought they were going to hear we built this city or something and Balin makes a loud announcement about meeting him back stage if you have any " Alaska Thunderfuck" ( local potent smoke ), a bunch of people jerked their kids up right away. I thought it was hillarious because there were THREE original Airplane members, guess some people forgot their roots ( we won't even go into how the band themselves had ).

Here's the opposite story - when I was maybe 15 I won a radio question prize and was all excited only to find out it was Mike and the Mechanics. TOTALLY bummed but my Dad liked them so I went with him. Completely embarrassed at all the smells around us. I dont know what i was thinking like my Dad lived in the Bay area in the 60's, even if he wasn't a hippy did I think he was really that clueless?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 1, 2010 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?


I streamed a recent Radiators upload for my daughter to sample - after about 30 seconds she said she wanted to go.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

I have long held this same opinion and, like yourself, been a little hesitant to share said opinion. The shows themselves don't bother me so much; it's the freaks in attendance that do. The pervasive atmosphere of "too much of everything is just enough" is not something I would want my young children exposed too while still in the formative years. I'd get home one day and find Junior on the kitchen floor surrounded by empty jars of Gerber's, babbling incoherently about how just one more game of Candyland would be the best thing ever. Nope, don't need that. I'm all for exposing kids to music, but in a controlled atmosphere where the music is the only thing; no distractions provided by a wigged-out frat-boy vomiting in the corner because he just found out that ingesting 5 hits of blotter after downing a case of PBR is not such a good idea. I've taken my kids to different shows (not Dead), but after they reached an age where I felt they could truly form their own opinions based primarily on the music.

That's just me, of course.

Excellent post, by the way.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 1, 2010 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

get over your shoes! it's been nearly a quarter century.

and I wasn't in a frat.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 2, 2010 5:53am
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Sorry, should have clarified. This particular dude was seen at a show in Albany, and, fortunately, was not in the vicinity of my shoes.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 1, 2010 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

I'm still laughing

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Poster: mickmac Date: Jul 1, 2010 3:58pm
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Because you can*t leave them in the car.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 1, 2010 11:50am
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I say leave the real small ones at home with a responsible babysitter. We started taking our kids to some outdoor shows when they were about 7 or 8 yrs. Here was our criteria. There had to be ample space in the back of the crowd for a large blanket to be placed. We would not smoke or ingest any mind altering substances. With these criteria, arenas like Red Rocks were out, too crowded. We never took them to Dead shows, again too crowded and too many innappporopriate (for the kids) activities out in the open. I remember taking them to shows on the ski slopes of Snowmass, Co for the Nevilles, Bonnie Rait and Lyle Lovett. There was plenty of space up the mountain where we could hear the music, but we were actually removed from the crowd and there was a nice family atmosphere going on. Also we went for 2 or 3 years to the Aspen/Snowmass Jazz Fest for Santana, War, Willie Nelson Susan Tedeschi and others. Again, plenty of open space in the rear, near the food courts and vendors.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:02pm
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I'll agree with you that the line-up makes a big difference. I've taken my kids to see Los Lobos, Green Day, Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney. No problems at those shows with unwanted exposure to drunkeness/druggedness/aggression etc. except that that poser from Green Day dropped the F bomb every chance he got (how shocking and alternative dude -- too bad your tour was sponsored by verizon!).

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Poster: lshart31 Date: Jul 1, 2010 4:16pm
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Have to agree leave the small children at home. Let everyone else enjoy the concert also.
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Poster: Street Pig ! Date: Jul 1, 2010 7:10pm
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Brought my daughter to Carter finley 90' she was small enough to have her in a back pack thingy, she liked the activity and fell asleep during space of all things, probablly because of the heat, it was a scorcher. We were young married couple who didn;t have family close by to babysit and as mentioned from other posters an outside gig was less smoky.
We did take the kids to String Cheese 7/18/2001,Rockingham NC one was 9 the other 7, they had a blast with the hullahoops and mist tents and the freaks were cool, The show was adjacent to a raceway and we were outisde with carnival atmosphere of vendors cotton candy and such. There were also people dressed up in bear suits dancing on the stage that keot them intertained.
My younger dosed years I would never of wanted the kids inside Hampton around the, X factor, not really a little kid scene for them
Below Pic was the SCI show with members of Leftover Salmon jammin' with them. Keller came out did a set and also joined SCI

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Jul 1, 2010 1:21pm
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I pretty much agree, but venue does have allot to do with it. I can see the outdoor festival thing where there are other activities. At Mountain Jam this year at Hunter there were lots of kids having fun at the top of the slope.

I did see a parent with an 8 or 10 year old at Nassau for The Dead last year and the kid looked pretty miserable.

I am taking my big (17 & 14) kids to a small venue to see the Radiators at the end of this month - first 'show' I'm taking them to.

My almost 17 year old spent all of last Saturday at Bamboozle Roadshow at Nassau - the stage was set up outdoors and she had fun in the crush pretty close to the stage - she's got the pics to prove it.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:06pm
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So I can track down that bitch and make her ante up for child support!

Gave her 7 children, and now she wants to give them back.

Seriously, good post. Purple Gel's response is our approach. A handful of shows where knew venue would provide space/sanctuary. I will take my 9 year old to Dylan on August 21st at Monterey Fairgrounds, just like I took my mom for Mother's Day back in '81 at the Fox in Atlanta. Got to complete that loop.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

I dunno, to each their own. I brought my baby daughter to a Ratdog show when she was just learning to walk, and she, I, and my wife all had lots of fun. It was a lovely outdoor arena, we had a nice spot on the lawn, the weather was beautiful, the crowd a bit sedate, and the music not too loud.

In general it's probably more fun without the added responsibility of having small children along for the ride, but if I didn't have a babysitter, and the choice was sell/give away the ticket or bring the kids, I'd probably bring the kids.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jul 2, 2010 4:37am
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I know a guy, who was forbidden from taking his kids to a Grateful Dead concert as a condition of a divorce. His ex-wife hated the scene and so did the judge.

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Jul 2, 2010 7:32am
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I'm a rabid deadhead, but I'm with the judge and ex on this one.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 1, 2010 12:18pm
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Each year we take our kids to the Scott Valley Bluegrass Fest. It meets the family requirements. Arts and crafts, puppet and magic shows, and really great music. The kids get to meet the artists.

I've also taken my daughter to see some folk and bluegrass at the Sierra Nevada Brewery, which was great.

I was in the 4th row at an ABB show in Concord, CA and the guy in front of us brought his 10 year-old son. I felt really uncomfortable puffing a big fatty and screaming "Yeah! Warren! Hell yeah!!". But that is exactly what I came to do and the father should have expected such behavior. I must admit, both Margaret and I were put-off by the child's presence.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 2, 2010 11:52am
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...especially when the kid turned around and said "Hey, dude, don't bogart that joint."

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Poster: ChefChappy Date: Jul 1, 2010 11:22am
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I agree with you for any indoor show. We took our kids to many outdoor shows and festivals....especially festivals. Large stadium shows with the kids weren't too bad as far as the elements you talk about. Sometimes it even turned into a lesson on what not to do. Ususally some idiot would get out of control and would could say something like "thats what happens when you drink to much or smoke dope!!" We usually would sit high up in the stadium and many times were up there with just a few people. This past feb, I had the opportunity to share the experience with my grandson(8) at further in Miami. My first 'dead" show of any type since the very early 80's. He's been proudly sporting his tie-dye for months now and has taken a real interest in grandpa's music!

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Poster: shakeitupnow Date: Jul 1, 2010 11:52am
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I, for one, am glad you brought this up. I saw everything you mentioned and more at the Furthur shows out in california memorial day weekend. As a parent, there were moments that witnessing these bored, tired, hungry, thirsty kids completely ruined my fun.
I went to A LOT of trouble and expense to leave my kids at home for that weekend and these recent shows too. It wasn't cheap or easy to arrange for sitters -- and that explains why my husband and I haven't been to many shows at all in the last decade: we didn't go if we couldn't do it right. And for us, doing it right means leaving the kids at home. When they are fully grown, they are welcome to join us, but for now they are way too impressionable (12 & 9) even if they do love music.
And anyway, with youtube we can always show them the highlights (as we did with "Time" from Rochester!

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 1, 2010 11:12am
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Have to agree on this... especially after a strange encounter at a 79 show. Grooving to the music, joints being passed around... took the doobie from the guy next to me, turned to say thanks, and he turned out to be only 10-11 years old! Kinda freaked me out.

I think exposing your kids to all kinds of music is VERY important, as well as teaching tolerance of different tastes. It's unfortunate that similar problems extend to sporting events as well, where alcohol can lead to violence, fighting and language that can peel paint.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jul 4, 2010 6:34am
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the July 2 '10 Further in Columbus Ohip was an amazing experience,

there were some children in the crowd that I felt concerned for being a parent. there is another disturbing episode from festivals past that still haunts me
It involves my 8 year old son (at the time) and an over zealous acid dealer , who thought my son would be interested in "doses". Christ I was pissed, 10 years later I still want to kill the guy.

The thing w/ Furher was the amount of Marijana smoke, I was saturated when I came out of there the contact high was for real...It was my own indulgence and enjoyed it immensly. Wow I was baked. I felt bad for the kids in the back packs who were trapped in the haze with no escape.

Close quarters bodies touching , loud music not a perfect scene for children


Gob bless you all and long live the Grateful Dead , Happy 4th let freeedom ring !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 1, 2010 2:26pm
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Excellent thread, and glad to see all, virtually, in agreement. [this checking in once a day is really working out...you do know I am actually in a 12-step program, and I had to relinquish my posting skills (?) to a higher power, right?].

For all the reasons given, I just don't think it makes much sense. But, this is the defn of parenthood = recognition of your own hypocrisy, which I wholeheartedly ascribe to (save the responses, I won't be here...seriously), and of course, flies in the face of the implications (?) of the "Woodstock Generation" code of conduct ("it was all good").

Finally, it suggests to me that most Forumites are yet again, "good parents", whatever that means...

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Jul 1, 2010 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

Cream extravaganza goin on over at dimeadozen if you do the torrent thing. Hear are a few examples.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 1, 2010 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

BD & BBB: thanks for thinking of me, guys--really appreciate it. Yep, I have most all of the CREAM shows now.

Nice to see the new regulars holding down the fort hereabouts; just had to cut back...enjoying popping in once or twice a day.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 1, 2010 3:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why do you bring small children to a 'show ' ?

http://www.jackbruce.com/2008/Fan%20Clubs/fans.htm

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